* CIA oldie but goodie - RENDITION, more dots and disinfo

[I am getting tired .. this is STILL under construction.
It needs more {{{{flow}}}} but I'm too tired now to provide it.]

So for fun, anyone reading can see the ribs .. of the arguments to come.]

Die Zeit: Can you be sure that there have been no errors and that no one was falsely transferred?

Michael Scheuer: I am sure that errors have been committed. Clausewitz has spoken of the fogs of war and we are right in the middle of that fog. If errors have been committed, the concerned persons have to be indemnified, Die Zeit, Hamburg, 29 December 2005

“It seems to me you are asking a question about an issue that involves the U.S. government,” Neale said. “Jeppesen, as with the rest of the Boeing company, operates in accordance with the laws.”

Asked about Jeppesen’s role in the rendition program, Mark Mansfield, CIA director of communications, said, “We don’t comment on such matters.”

Boeing Subsidiary Sued for Role in Torture Flights IHT,29 May 2007 , found on http://kickboeingtothecurb.wordpress.com/

Tongue lashing below from Professor SNARK:

All about an item linked below -

Now just why would the CIA allow a former Rendition Bloody Master, Michael Scheuer to speak to the press, albeit in Germany ?? The item is making the rounds of the blogosphere today.

Time for snide remarks. The CIA brings that out in people, I've found. I get to feeling like a White Woman of outrage when I read their "remarks", although I am awfully aware they are feeing the public pure crap. Stuff that makes ggggrrrrrrrooooooooowl in outrage.

What is he saying EXACTLY about "have to be indemnified" ...?

Is this what seals Michael Mansfield's lips on bloody KIDNAP and collusion with rogue nations, that new "high tech" solution to how America can assert its presumed ownership of the world- no one's bloody indemnified so Mansfield remains mum?

You cannot be "idemnified" for war crimes!! And we've already posted on here about the bloody legal insurance problems people in the CIA are facing about the torture tapes "accounting".

How can an Agency operative or official pay a high-buck lawyer to defend themselves against WAR CRIMES - when the CIA will not "indemnify" AND the lawyers' cost so bloody much (drug money kept in offshore accounts might help, but eventually the prosecutors would find out about that little stunt.)

Here's a truth, the CIA is badly split. WAR CRIMES are being exposed - and the lawyers who thought up clever legal defenses and "techniques" for subverting Geneva after they took an oath to uphold it, well, they are in a fix.

So they are trotting out the crew involved to indulge in some SERIOUS finger pointing! And truth be told, they are being fed answers to feed to the press. (How's that for a deceptive food chain?) So I hope anyone readng this will consider what the poision being fed on Die Zeit will be taken with a grain of salt. It's not very nourishing. A certain, Mr. Scheuer, paid with US taxdollars, sworn to uphold an oath to the Supreme Law of the Land in the United States of America is being let out of the Langley bag to feed some heavy weight disinfo concerning rendition.

Hey, Mark Mansfield did that in the NYT!! He pointed the finger at THEM. LOL. Somedays this all just too funny!! Only you know some people DIED in this little CIA caper, some people are left damaged for life and they did nothing wrong! Well, whadda ya know about that, folks!! As Helen Thomas says, you can't bring back a life .. The CIA minimizes and rationalizes every reckless death that they do.

They have a new "leave no marks" protocol, but the torture continues. And that stress breaks done the human immune system -- so the people die, just takes looooooooooonger. That's all.

The CIA and other alphabet soup agencies must, at long last, get it straight, imho.

To ensure AMERICA'S safety - if you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime!! You are being tried in the court of public opinion and guess what! I AM the public .. me, little ole me. First Amendment rights and all that other jazz that seem to haunt youse guys.

Can people of conviction -- who just might be aware there ARE acutally terrorists -- be against rendition without being "leftist democrats" in the CIA's mind? Can some of us just want to ensure that the CIA follows Geneva and that the CIA does do it's usual SPIN when caught with it's pants down, with solid evidence waving in our hands -- and a whole cartload of "missing evidence" on their part?

Hmm - in age where CIA torturing, an agency which has taken MACHO to a whole new level of rationalization - do you suppose, just maybe it would be good to show that "kindly face" of a torturing monster to the public once again? First a waterboarding specialist with a very contrived but effective take for us all to "swallow" - now an interview put in Germany that was destined to come into North America to look at, replete with picture of "said" upset CIA officer.

How very sublimely surreal!!

This was the squibb I got with the link:

Extraordinary Renditions: An Interview with Michael Scheuer
'The CIA has the right to break any law' Do the American secret services have the right to abduct presumed terrorists? For the first time, Michael Scheuer, one of the principal persons in charge of the CIA provides answers to the German newspaper Die Zeit.

My radar goes UP!! when I see that one.

I could dissect it line by line for you.

Afterall I know the POINT that they are trying to score and I also have a nice little set of Geneva protocols to read, on the other hand. I've read a fair bit about CIA operations in the Balkans and what happened with Osama bin Laden when he operated there, training troops to help out Uncle Sam run out the Russian bear in Afghanistan.

Here's the deal MARK - if you've guys' eyes on the blog - and you can tell it Dirty Dick at the next Holiday "do" if you guys last that long, you haven't just screwed up, you've screwed up the peace and security of EVERYONE on this planet for about long enough. And no matter which thug you guyz trot out we are going to STAY alarmed until such time as someone thinks it's time to get some oversight and clear lawbreakers are brought to JUSTICE.

You guys need a LEASH - and don't think it's "just" left wing democrats are the problem by being what you consider "hypocrites" and cowardly milquetoast because they have no appetite for war crimes or torture. You guys and Dirty Dick are the problem. Maybe Bill Clinton, too, but that circular firing squad rationale won't do! Not to us, We the People. The people who do the crime, must do the time!! What goes on is NOT legal! You all take the oath but you do not uphold and guess what, no spin can make the Unitary Executive argument stick. Not really: gues you already know that though.

Since a letter I wrote on here to Mark Mansfield was done, I've got Mark in a big pork pie. Mark said in 1998 that The Agency doesn't torture .. yeah, right. It was "renditioning" then. Nice try Mark .. we're keeping a timeline. We're figuring it ALL out!! Yup.

There are other ways to protect America than to go on doing the Same Old, Same old, including raising America's prestige (what's left of it) by simply showing we respect the Rule of Law!! Yup you might not have to resort to the carrot and the stick as a techique as you do now. It's not about being the POWER agency that thinks the US President owns the entire friggin world and goes in and cause havoc wherever it goes! NOPE, it is NOT. Man, what a mess your Agency has made in this world over the past five decades. A band of Ivy league THUGS running around the world playing "spies" - inticing people, bribing them, playing footsies with maimed wretched people who simply want the buck$ and a chance to "come to America" - the last being a little 'privilege' you never assent to in the end anyway.

Magic word, Mark and the rest of you at Mark's coffee clatch: NUREMBERG.

There is no statute of limitations.

There is no escaping history. The war crimes in this administration are simply HORRIFYING beyond belief!

And an esoteric little phrase for all of you to laugh about at lunch:

FUCK Clausewitz.

There are no excuses . The law was broken. The "fog of war" don't cut when the judge rolls round. You guys knew that - you were warned butcha just had to do it anyway.

The dead, those you tortured and died may be buried, but we know .. we won't be forgetting either.

The new policy is "leave no marks" .. but guess what - kidnap is still criminal. Get some new bloody lawyers you guyz. Ask for some immunity and save yourselves.

All the CRAP must come to light - it's time!!

And as for this;

Die Zeit: What will become of the “extraordinary renditions²?

Michael Scheuer: The program is probably dead because of the leaks, the publications and the criticisms. The result is disillusioning for those in charge within the secret services: Not one of those who had given us the orders to act as we did admits today to have done so.

Um hmmm. Probably? You KNOW, Michael Scheuer. And the best thing YOU can do is turn in those who gave you ORDERS, it's your duty as a citizen.