Sep 19th 2008
57 Comments
As I write this, in a real sucker punch, the FTSE is up 10% so far today. Hooray, the world is saved!
Or not.
What could be behind this insane, hysterical reaction?
One reason is that late yesterday, the FSA called a halt to short selling of financial stocks in the UK. As a result, many (t)raders have had to get themselves out of short positions. That musta hurt!
The second, much bigger, reason is that the US Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, in collusion with the US Congress, is about to commit an act of blatant treason.
Instead of doing the right thing, which would have been to place the system in administratrion (bankruptcy reorganisation), he has decided to make the United States itself bankrupt.
The bankers are laughing up their sleeves.
What Paulson has announced is this: he will establish a Federal agency to buy up what will amount to trillions of dollars of bad debt. The debt will become the liability of the US taxpayer. The bankers will get off scot free. The US will also insure investors in US money-market funds, which have seen significant withdrawals in recent days.
The idea is that, in a reflection of the Resolution Trust Corporation, the debt will be warehoused so that it can get the chance “for much of it to recover a portion of its value.”
But make no mistake, as far as the financial system is concerned, this will achieve nothing, other than delay the inevitable once again.
The real benefit for Paulson’s controllers, is that long held goal of the financial elites - the end of the United States, and that pesky Constitution.
What about us, here in the UK? For us, there’s the small matter of the spectre of hyperinflation which will make Weimar Germany pale into insignificance.
Sep 19th, 2008
Biloxi
September 18, 2008 http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/#LatestNews
WTP Brings Federal Lawsuit to Stop AIG Bailout
U.S. Lacks Constitutional Authority for Loan
On the day following the 221st anniversary of the signing of the U.S. Constitution, WTP Chairman and constitutional activist Robert Schulz today filed a federal
lawsuit in United States District Court in Albany seeking to halt the execution
of the emergency bailout of American International Group, Inc. (AIG) by the
United States Government and the Federal Reserve.
The lawsuit asserts that the commitment of public funds and credit for the direct benefit of privately owned AIG is an ultra vires action by the United States Government and Federal Reserve, i.e., beyond the limited legal authority granted
by the Constitution. The lawsuit asks for a “show cause” hearing demanding that
the Government produce evidence of its legal authority to commit public funds for such a purpose, as well as emergency and permanent injunctions halting the
bailout transaction. (continued…)
Click Here To Access the Update
Sep 19th, 2008
johnmorton
Let us be clear here: this is a declaration of war against the United States of America by the international fascist banking cartel.
If this is not resolved politically in the immediate future, this is going all the way into civil war.
We must all pray for the American people that the US Congress acts to reassert sovereignty, or things are going to get very nasty very quickly.
Sep 19th, 2008
david_grothier
sure its an ultra vires action, but the lawsuit will never get off the ground as all with sense recognise the implications of no bail out.
Sep 19th, 2008
Alpha Uniform
“The idea is that, in a reflection of the Resolution Trust Corporation, the debt will be warehoused so that it can get the chance “for much of it to recover a portion of its value.”
Hmmmm…..no different to what ENRON did, and a host of companies are doing. Laying off the losses into a holding company so that losses don’t appear on the books!
Crininal fraud has been legalised????
Sep 19th, 2008
420
9/19/09 (Reuters) The federal government is now bailing out compulsive gamblers in Las Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City, and elsewhere. Anyone who has lost $1000 or more gambling in U.S. casinos may apply for a full refund at taxpayer expense, by writing to:
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson
Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220
Include a copy of your income tax returns as proof of your gambling losses, and the treasury will issue you equal compensation withing 6-8 weeks. The refund program does not apply to offshore gambling, Internet gambling, and losses at casinos run on Native American reservations. Details are available at the U.S. Treasury web site at
http://www.ustreas.gov/.
Sep 19th, 2008
Richard H. Clark
johnmorton - Sorry. Too late. We’ve entered the debt-death spiral. There is no possible way out at the moment. We can’t cut deficit spending without killing the economy. We’ve lived on debt for so long that it is now systemic in the system. If has to collapse to correct itself. We’re toast. The US will have a severe depression shortly. I do apologize for our greedly little megalomanical leaders here and the effects they are having around the world… sorry.
Sep 19th, 2008
General Grant
revolution is the only solution.
Sep 19th, 2008
James
the reason the NWO/Illuminati even exists is that the majority of citizens are themselves treasonous. Its the natural rash that comes out when the average man does not give a damn about truth or justice. Just so long as he is comfortable. We tried to warn them about 911, about the NWO, etc etc. Big smirking assholes mock and deny and go back to their football or whatever. . So let them cheer on McCain and Obama. Let the nation and the world fall to hell. its totally deserved.
Sep 19th, 2008
Skully
Well Gent-lmen
The game has been over since the Jesuits sunk the Titanic.
There is nothing left really except to turn to the kind of ruthlessness
they were actually born and bred with…Funny thing is that they can not re-start time and so they are screwed
Cheers
Skully
Sep 19th, 2008
Cailean
Everyone is going on about the system collapsing, but there is human agency here. This is a kind of coup, a financial 9/11 which will allow a particular faction to monopolise all wealth and power. The same, transatlantic crowd, no doubt, who thought up the Georgia provocation i.e. Cheney and co.. They’re managing to present this as an act of salvation for the “economy’ and as with Georgia use it to help win the election.No way will they allow the Democrats to win. They are playing all their cards now and in the short term may well succeed. Longer term there isn’t much hope for this return to the dark age. It won’t pull the rest of the world down and international isolation and hopefully domestic opposition will do for the regime.
Sep 19th, 2008
Mexican
American Fobaproa!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fobaproa )
Good way to go guys, further generations should pay.
Sep 19th, 2008
Kim
There is NOTHING in the Constitution (in its spirit or in writing) which allows for this perfidy. We are being systematically taken down in every way by the world bankers, assisted by our own ignorant , self-aggrandizing, so-called “representatives.”. The elite cannot and will not tolerate a truly free republic consisting of armed, well informed and intelligent citizens.
The “insurgent,” Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802) 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1325.htm
Lamp posts and rope are looking pretty good right now.
Sep 19th, 2008
david_grothier
I have been a strong opponent of irresponsible banking since they foreclosed on the Creamery in St Clairs West Wales.
I did my bit in taking a few to the little boys cleaners and not paying on loans—donating the proceeds to Save the Children and a few other charities.
Problem is I have seem SO MANY SIMPLY TALK ABOUT DOING THE SAME—-AND TALK IS NOT LIKE MONEY—ITS CHEAP
I BET KIM WOULD BE THE FIRST TO RUN A MILE AT THE SIGHT OF A LAMP POST AND A ROPE WITH A GREEDY IRRESPONSIBLE BANKER ON THE OTHER END.
Sep 19th, 2008
Mr. Davis
Next week will be the unwinding of the Hedge funds (think of how much stock they will dump on the market when the short selling rules expire in 9-trading days). Beyond “genius” politicians to solve.
Sep 20th, 2008
Anthony Clifton
When did lying murderers acquire “authority”? Printed currency is not money. It is deemed “legal tender”. See Merrill Jenkins : Money - The Greatest Hoax in the world. See Willie Martin Files Outline. See Eustace Mullins - Secrets of the federal reserve, and the Curse of Canaan. See Obadiah, and Matthew 13. Israel is not “jewish” and “jews are not Israel. “Reject truth…place yourself in judgement..” -Wayne Martin. Waco 9/11 tapes. Zakheim should at least be arrested with Silverstein, and Zellikow.
Sep 20th, 2008
Bill Wanke
Drive the Money Changers from the Temple!!!!!!
Sep 20th, 2008
Grant
I am from the UK, but I hope the people of America realise that this economic crisis is infact a coup. This is an invasion of the United States by financial rather than military means. Put it this way just suppose the FED loans the US GOV Billions of $`s so the US GOV can buy all these bad asset bonds (debts) off the banks. What then if the US GOV can no longer pay its debts. Would the FED then OWN the US GOV. Question is,who owns the FED? If you can answer this question then you will know who will OWN the United States once this coup is complete. These people wont stop there they want the whole world. But do you know the story about DAVID and GOLIATH !
Sep 20th, 2008
Vee
Maybe what is most appalling is that the regular Joe doesn’t have a clue as to what is about to transpire over the next year or two because it ain’t over yet and they aren’t ready for it. Scary times in which we live. I hope that some of the greedy fall with a larger thump than the poor or middle class. It’s about time that “I feel your pain” from those that don’t really, means something. What a corrupt and sad world we live in. Maybe tar and feathering will come back in vogue again when the regular guys and gals figure out what they have done to us. I can dream can’t I? General Grant above knows the solution. Viva the solution.
Sep 20th, 2008
Jack the Whipper
American banks made most of those bad loans under intense pressure from the Government in the first place, so don’t just blame the banks. There are unseen hands behind this mess, as the above writers have discerned, and surely the intent is the coup d’ etat more commonly known as another step forward towards the New World Order. They know that the common man is not well-versed in exotic financial scams.
Sep 20th, 2008
Apostle
My guns and ammo are paid for
Sep 20th, 2008
roshea
Over there Over here
Over there Over here
Everywhere
Yes the Bailouts are comin
The Bailouts are comin
What’s happening over here?
Over there, over here
Send the word, send the word everywhere
That the Bailouts are coming,
The Bailouts are coming,
Billions and Trillions Ev’rywhere.
So prepare, say a pray’r,
Send the word, Taxpayers everywhere
Yes the Bailouts are comin
The Bailouts are comin
All taxpayers now be aware.
Over there.
Sep 20th, 2008
Tom Ness
I got a big laugh tonight from the mainstream media (which I monitor just to see what kind of propaganda the sheeple are being fed) as they sputtered how hugely surprised they all were about this week’s financial crash. Anybody who cruises through the blogosphere financial reporting regularly has known this was coming for years, with increasing accuracy about who, how and when. It makes it truly difficult to be in public these days knowing you are surrounded by sleepwalkers and zombies. It’s going to get ugly if they all wake up at once.
Sep 20th, 2008
Brutus Centinel
This is a foolish plan which is going to make a bad government created mess even worse.
The FDIC and SIPC already guarantee the deposits so we were already on the hook in case of abject failure. Now we are on the hook in case of pending failure.
Let the efficiencies of the market place punish the poor decision makers. Accumulating all the bad debt into the hands of taxpayers is just wrong.
Sep 20th, 2008
S E AW
The American people are a basically trusting lot because of their Christian heritage. It is unfortunate that they have been betrayed by unscrupulous people and a compliant media. Many countries can see this but the American people themselves can’t seem to understand what is really happening around them, living as they are in the flickering twilight of the American dream and caught up in the hoopla of elections. It is all so sad and all who have their welfare at heart can only pray that God will be merciful..
Sep 20th, 2008
dogismyth
I dare say that I agree with you since all those around me think I am kaputz!
I would happily exchange my life to stop the corruptness and the planned takeover of U.S. assets. Many people will suffer…some terribly. Many will be moved to exact vengeance in an expedient fashion. It is one of the basic instinct of man.
Good luck. Hope to see you all at the fight.
Sep 20th, 2008
Teancum
I’ve always suspected that among my brothers and sisters in England there are those who are truly enlightened and know the truth of the evil persons who have taken over the once great United States of America. I am so pleased to read the comments on this page and honor those of you who have made them.
As you probably know, it was the House of Rothschild and their agents in the U.S. (Schiff, Warburg, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc.) that hoisted their nefarious “Federal” Reserve Bank on the ingnorant and deceived American sheeple and have been fleecing us ever since.
You are all right…this is the end of the American economy, and America itself will soon be overthrown…but there are many here who are truly enlightened, as yourselves, and we will not be overthrown completely.
There is a remanant of good, solid, Christian patriots, who are armed with the righteousness of God (and armed with plenty of brass and lead) that will emerge triumphant over the evil Illuminati.
The coming U.S. economic collapse will trickle throughout the entire world and take down many nations in the process.
I also believe the evil President of the U.S. is planning a pre-emtive attack on Iran that will eventuate in World War III and involve Russia and China - and will involve nuclear weapons.
Thank you for your goodness and your intelligence and your prayers in our behalf…
We are all going to need each other in the trying days ahead.
Good night from America,
Teancum
Sep 20th, 2008
Bobby
So in essence what this catastrophe and its solution entails is this–Americans get to pay to make sure their own money in the bank is safe. This solution of course, was proposed by the same Wall Street Criminals that brought us the catastrophe in the first place. Also, as one poster pointed out, the government itself under Clinton and then continued by Bush pressured banks to make unsafe loans to people they damn well knew could never pay back those loans, all in the name of diversity. If we truly had an honest government, hundreds of our leaders would be locked up for life, for what they have done to the U.S. citizenry.
Sep 20th, 2008
Vox Veritatis
I say we track down every crooked international banker, conniving politician who supports corporate welfare, and member of the Fed and give them a serious ass-kicking and horse-whip them down Wall Street before tying them to planks and tossing them in the Hudson River. Bailouts for these corporations is intolerable and every American taxpayer should answer with torches, pitchforks, and maybe even muskets if necessary, for as a previous poster pointed out, this would certainly be an act of war declared against honest, hard-working Americans who actually have to pay the consequences for their actions. These shameless criminal degenerates have looted the treasury and completely perverted the law. It’s time to take a stand.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Track down international bankers–you must be joking we wont even get the irresponsible bankers here in the UK.!
UK BANKS HAVE HAD A RAPACIOUS APPROACH TO COMMUNITY LIFE IN THE UK FOR GENERATIONS.
WHEN THEY STARTED IMPERSONAL BANKING AND DID AWAY WITH HIGH STREET BANK MANGERS THE ROT REALLY SET IN.
THEN IN FAVOUR OF THE FOLLY IF INTERNET BANKING THEY CLOSED MANY A HIGH STREET BRANCHES CAUSING GREAT INCONVENIENCE TO MANY…BUT DID THEY CARE–DID THEY HELL
BANKS ARE PRIVILEGED PRIVATE COMPANIES, WHICH THE PUBLIC ARE FORCED TO USE AND THEREFORE THEIR PROFITS ARE ALMOST GUARANTEED.
HOWEVER BANKS IN THE UK DURING THE NEGATIVE EQUITY SCANDAL (1980/90s) FORECLOSED ON MANY FAMILIES ONLY TO MOVE TO SELL THEIR HOUSES FOR MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WAS OWED ON THEM( AND THEY WERE WORTH AT AUCTION).
STATISTICS LATER DEMONSTRATED THAT BOTH BANKS, AND THE FAMILIES CONCERNED WOULD HAVE ALL BENEFITS FROM AN ETHICAL APPROACH AND MORTGAGE RESTRUCTURING.
A number of people I knew committed suicide when they realised they were going to lose their homes solely due to the economic situation of the late 80s and 1990s, which of course was out of their control and based upon Friedman´s influence over Thatcher.
There was anger–––-and because of the whole crazy situation I advocated action against the banks–––-what happened from the sheeeple, well the same that will happen now for all the big talk here––-nothing.
I know what I am about to state will be to many, but I feel it needs to be said as we all need a wake up call–-at least while we are able to wake up. (in fact it horrifies me each time I watch the old documentaries).
I am still a student of 20C warfare and I could never understand how so many Jewish families just calmly walked to the deaths in the camps without a fight, yes there were pockets of resistance but not that many. There is one scene of the victims getting off the train at Auswich.
Here they are separated into groups, those to work, those to die, women here, men there and children over there. God almighty this still reduces me to tears just writing about it.
One child is separated from his mother, and runs back to her, an SS guard pulls the child away but he runs back to his mother only to be separated again, both mother and child are now hysterical–-but the killing goes on, and no one does a thing, people just stand and watch as both separate lines of woman and children are lead into buildings of death.
We have two issues here, that fact that the people were lead like sheep to their deaths with little or no resistance, and the fact that there was a man, loads of them, SS Guards, who could do things to a child that would, and is still breaking my heart to watch…..to think I am part of what we call the human race make me increasing want to puke.
This time people we simply must not be complacent. There are now 6.721 billion people living on this planet 50% of which are living in totally undignified conditions due to the polices of greedy capitalist bankers through their polices of globalisation, and conditions are getting worse. Remember people that he poorest country in the world Haiti despite (or because of) France and the United States repeatedly intervened in Haitian politics since the country’s founding. But whatever both these major international players still look on as people die in abject poverty.
This is coming to us all if we don’t wake up and act-
Sep 20th, 2008
John Morton
To all Americans reading this:
Know that there are those in England, most especially us at the UK Column who stand with you in solidarity against this evil, fascist plot against your country.
We do everything we can to expose this from our side, and stand ready to work with you on a new economy, under sovereign government control once again, taking the power away from these private banking scum once and for all.
The power rests in YOUR hands. Get armed, get angry and get ready. Call your Congress people and DEMAND that they block this bailout plan. Get organized and prepare to resist, because we in England have no means of defence and we are relying on you to save representative government for us all, everywhere.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Wow wow wow John–YOU GO TO FAR!
I AM NOT THAT SURE THERE S A FASCIST PLOT AS YOU SAY.
I am not convinced of this conspiracy theory plot.
I have been in the market for many years and I am putting this down to the stupidity of greedy unregulated banking practices while conducting my own further investigations.
For the longer term interests of world stability and the 10000000s of poor already affected and for whom things could get a whole lot worse without this bail out, I am all for it as being the most sensible option.
Besides I think you are now going over board on this US thing, we have to start putting our house, Britain, in order before meddling elsewhere.
I would leave that to the CIA if I were you as they are expert at such things..
Sep 20th, 2008
Mohammed Abdullah
This is the time we have been waiting. Down come the wrath of the lord. Though the american public is innocent they were not doing anyting to stop their nation from killing innocent iraqies, afganis etc., Do you understand now that “Divide and rule” does not always work buddy. Ha Ha. The Great nation’s so called “Foreign Policy” is good for idiots. Arragance is the reason for all of these. Now who cares for america. I wrote this just to show how delighted I am to see, people loosing their money, people starving to death including innocent children and women etc., Just the same picture like in Iraq and Afghan. It would be ideal if a earthqueak or a Tsunami hits America , Ameen.
Sep 20th, 2008
Enufs Enuf
David Grothier - you are STILL not convinced that this is a ‘fascist plot/conspiracy theory’????
Be assured there most definately is an agenda and you are watching it unfold live, 24/7 the world over…….
Some of us have spent years investigating all aspects of it.
It is my belief that the ongoing financial coup is the final part of this global agenda for a one world government or ‘new world order’ as gordon brown so lovingly announces every five minutes.
It is also my belief that very soon, an excuse for martial law will be created and for which we should all be prepared.
One more time: Gordon Brown proving to you just where this financial catastrophe came from and to what end:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8
May God Almighty have mercy on us all - and to those throughout history and to those still following the same agenda - it’s not too late to repent…….
Sep 20th, 2008
Peter1945
David,
I am not conviced that John is GOING TO FAR. I for one believe these (finacial) events are happening by design and not by accident or gross in competence. I kNOW there is a lot of “Conspiracy Theory’s” about, but don’t assume they are all bunk. I would not suggest that this applies to you but, sticking ones head in the sand and thinking they are all untrue is naive in the extreme.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Assalamu alaykum
In relation to Iraq I fully agree with what you are stating. The suffering we in the West caused this nation through the folly of Bush and Blair will be a cancer on our livers for many future generations,
This is without forgetting the ten years of illegal sanctions that caused many innocent women and their children to die through the holding back of essential medical supplies.
May GOD and ALLAH have mercy on us all.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Enufs Enuf after years of researching you should have no problem proving you comments–I invite you to do so.
Peter1945 Please be assured my head is far from in the sand.
You say and I quote
I for one believe these (finacial) events are happening by design and not by accident or gross in competence.
Please support your statement with facts.
LOOK PEOPLE THESE ARE THINGS WHETHER TRUE OF NOT, YOU CANT DO A DARN THING ABOUT—WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TO START AT HOME AND SAVE THE UK FROM COMMON PURPOSE—THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
Sep 20th, 2008
Peter1945
David,
First of all, I said I did NOT think YOUR head was in the sand….so PLEASE read what I said. I was not attacking YOU, just putting over my views and feelings…nothing wrong with that!
“Please support your statement with facts” No I cannot lay down in black and white for you anything like that, because it is like trying to prove a negative, but I can’t help But trust my gut feelings. It is a belief not a statement of fact.
I would say however, that events of this nature are outlined in the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”…ok it may be a suspect document..but why are its contents coming true.
I don’t think anyone will disagree with you over Common Purpose, and I have been trying to do my small bit by telling my friends and others about them.
But most people are only giving there comments and replys to the Main Items that have been posted by The Editorial Managerment……and they are not ALL about Common Purpose.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
No offence taken Peter I am quite impervious to that.
Deal with what you can feel and touch and do something about—the rest. if it exists, can be taken on board later and from a much stronger position,
Sep 20th, 2008
The Editor
David,
Common Purpose is a fairly significant part if the puzzle, but its only a part. Limiting the debate to Common Purpose, and so limiting the activism to Common Purpose, limits our effectiveness.
At the moment, John and I are the only two writers for the site, as others work on the newspaper. We don’t want to duplicate the content. Anyone wanting to help, should contact me by email.
So far, by the way, we have had 14,000 or so individual IP addresses look at this article.
As far as our broader plans go, there’s quite a bit of exciting stuff coming, which will give people the chance to get much more involved. Keep watching.
Mike.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
ED, I am a practical person. I limited my attention to what I can see and touch and know what is there and that I feel I can do something about.
And Common Purpose I can and I am in my own way.
I cant do a dam thing about the fact the the US 6th Fleet was out a sea on Dec7 1941 nor can I ascertain that The Protocols of Zion are authentic or a good Russian joke so I don’t even consider then worthy of debate when there are more urgent and pressing issues at stake.
We all have our fantasises and as Peter1945 states its just his gut feeling, well that’s understandable as I have had one of those for years over the Euro Millions lotto—-saying that there is a draw tonight—now here did I put my ticket?
ED stripping common purpose out of the equation, do you serious think that you and John are having any real impacting effect upon the other topics here?
More like added shades of dark to the mysteries would not agree!
There are those still theorising if KING TUT was killed or died naturally—these things tend to go on forever.
Sep 20th, 2008
The Editor
Sorry, David, but where did you read that I was stripping Common Purpose out of the equation?
We are not limiting the scope of this site to Common Purpose. A somewhat different thing. If you want to contribute to the site with articles about Common Purpose specifically, then please do so.
In case you are unaware, we also run a site dedicated to Common Purpose, Common Purpose Exposed.
Mike.
Sep 20th, 2008
Enufs Enuf
David:
Common Purpose is a massive part of this ‘conspiracy’.
The ‘national curriculum’ is also a massive part of same conspiracy - as a parent I am in constant conflict with the ‘liberalisers’ at school who will not vere from their beloved ‘curriculum’ which is, in reality - believe it or not - satanic and which is currently working perfectly to create a nation of dumbed down sheople who never question anything and who are too scared by constant propaganda that everything is ‘out to get them’ and hence, behave like rabbits in the headlights - ie DO NOTHING!!!
Watch this from Charlotte Iserbyt: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M
Agenda 21 - a major part of both of the above…..and Local Agenda 21 - the local version of the UN global ‘Agenda 21′…….links in to the ‘global warming’ scam yes ‘ SCAM which merely provides more control and more £££££$$$$$ for the criminals who act as our saviours but in reality are wolves in sheeps clothing….
Ongoing financial global coup = rothschild =bank of England owners/controllers and also owner/controllers of the Fed Res…..1913 - The Creature from Jekyll Island…..Money Masters….Secrets of the Federal Reserve…..just scroogle….
911…..Afghanistan, Iraq,,,soon to be Iran = see above…..
Eu - see above.
Veolia - waste disposal, wheely bins etc = see above…..
Seatbelts, bin offences, dangerous dogs, speed cameras - see above….
NEXT!?
Conference?? - or at least a meeting??
This thing is GLOBAL. I can tell you who the ‘enemy’ is and who the ‘good guys’ are - to a point - because as we’re told in the Bible about the synagogue of satan:
“those who say they are jews and are not but are of the synagogue of satan”….
These ‘people’/entities have morphed and continue to do so, into anything that will gain them control of local, national, international and now, the final act - the global takeover of the entire world for their lord and master……???????
Please just ask if I can point you in any direction you want to PROVE that this global coup against humanity is sadly, VERY REAL.
Sep 20th, 2008
Life
Hi All.
The US Congress are terrified of the consequences should they speak or act out of line.
They have seen with JFK and many others what can happen if they do. It would take the whole of Congress to unanimously and as one, move against the elite. They would have the whole nation behind them, save for the few who attend the conventions…
Here in Blighty we need to take the Magna Carta, remove from it that which serves Rome, take Common Law and again remove that which serves the elite and keep only that which supports the new Magna Carta. We then present this new constitution to the people as our backdrop to curtail the power of the government, as the American Constitution was written to accomplish. There is no reason why we cannot expand the Magna Carta, which must include the proviso no government can borrow at interest monies from a private bank..
We are still going round in circles if we do not base the move against that which is destroying our nation, with a solid and understandable constitution…
Sep 20th, 2008
Life
Hi All.
Common Purpose is a massive part of the conspiracy, but one has also to include the organisation that is religion, secret societies such as the freemasons, the Jesuits, even the Knights of St John are controlled or rather confounded by the Order of the Garter.
There are the satanic networks such as the Golden Dawn, a massive organisation in this country which sets about ensuring the correct crime wave is on relative to what the elite wish to legislate against or to raise more revenue (insurance). I have first hand experience of this network, this network is what I first began to expose six years ago.
The system of the elite is massive; it has had 7000 years in which to install it. What we need is for man to remember he is man, and remove himself and his wealth from the organisations who thus use all you have to serve this evil agenda. We are in this together whatever ones religion or society, yet we have to see these organisations at elite level…all of them, as networks ultimately serving the Inner City banking Cartel, which is the chief executive office of the Imperial bloodlines Roman empire, itself only a new skin of the serpent that was and is Babylon….
Click this for a brief study of the empire from the point of Rome :
http://lifeinthemix.co.uk/new_world_order.html
Sep 20th, 2008
Frances
When I began warning people about this corrupt financial system many years ago, I was told I was a pessimist. When I began advising friends, family, and strangers that the banking practices over the past 13 years were going to lead disaster, I was scoffed at. When I advised people to have about a 30 day cash supply on hand, I received blank stares. Now, I must apologize to the rest of the world for not being able to awaken my fellow Americans to stand up to the treason that has been purpetrated upon us for a very long time, by a long string of greedy traitors, thus resulting in complete bankruptcy. I say this because I am debating whether I will ever pay taxes again, whether I will ever use a bank again, and certainly, I will never rely on the market for my retirement. Real change isn’t going to come by electing anyone. It will only come when we stand up together, as one, around the world, and say enough. We have so much power that we haven’t used
for a long time. Let all workers of the world stop work for half a day, for starters. They do understand money as we can see by their ‘deer in the headlights’ look this past week.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
The Editor
David,
Common Purpose is a fairly significant part if the puzzle, but its only a part. Limiting the debate to Common Purpose, and so limiting the activism to Common Purpose, limits our effectiveness.
hi Ed perhaps I took the above wrongly. However for me I will stick to Common Purpose. Its such a subtle little devil. I was actually involved once with Agenda 21, back in the days when I was brainwashable.
I give daily thanks to Brian Garrish for my awakening.
These things I can see touch and feel, and know the evil influence thereof, and consequently the dangers.
However the fight is more difficult than perhaps you think as we already have the first generation of university students and graduates who have been brought up on this stuff.
The battle field is at home and real, the world out there is fully of so many conspiracy theories that will send you head spinning for a year of so if you dwell on them.
As a military minded person–in situations when your troop numbers are low and the enemy is far superior —-its always been a productive policy to use what you have to the effective advantage and fight that was that you know you can win and fight it from a strong home base.
Right now we Brits don’t have a strong home base, therefore we need to secure our country before fighting the world’s ills.
With a strong secure Britain the world is ours for the taking,
Of course I will gladly concede to those who know better, and I am fully aware of the many hidden agendas that run along side the many conspiracy theories which could be nothing or those dived and conquer merchants our and about again.
So for me if you don’t object, I will respectfully retreat, dignity in hand and concentrate on the fight against Common Purpose and eradicating its scourge from within the UK.
Life you are quite right and there are not many here that understand the might of the British monarchy. The one thing that always troubled me deep is why a great charismatic person like Ronald Reagan, who had it all on leaving office, found it so important to be knighted by the queen—-I guess its all dawning upon me slowly but surely.
Its not only Common Purpose, but perhaps the root of all you concerns my be found around buck house and the square mile!
Sep 20th, 2008
Maggie
It’s time to start keeping all of our money. No taxes, no payments to FICA, no payments to Social Security. It’s not going to be there for us anyway. Time to depend on ourselves folks. Get cash based jobs or jobs with an employer that leaves your tax payments to you. Do not give another cent to our government until it realizes that we are not going to take this anymore.
Cash under the table jobs, jobs where you barter, jobs where you set your own time. Barter for your rent, barter for your food, and refuse to fill out the W4’s if you get a new job. No law requires you do so. You can tell your employer that you will handle your own 940 and 941 forms, then don’t pay one penny to the government until they listen. Pay your state taxes and support your state, but the government can take a hike.
Sep 20th, 2008
Tom Collins
If we are to face “organised” doom and gloom, then everyone should be made aware so that they can at least “try” to make some arrangements for their security.
If only the few see what is happening then they have a duty to expose EVERYTHING, and the names (and addresses) of the people, persons, individuals and organisations behind it..
WHEN will it happen ? HOW will it happen ? WHERE will it happen ? WHAT will be the next sign ?
So many questions — so few anwers.
Sep 20th, 2008
streetfigther
Another step toward one world government……….
Sep 20th, 2008
Re:Mohammed Abdullah
Hey Mohammed you arrogant pig, there are good people, Muslims, Christians and otherwise, who are going to be suffering in this country and you’re jacking off at the thought? What makes you better than the ones who caused this mess? What makes you think you’re SAFE?
Sep 20th, 2008
atrayou
Thanks, to all of you for making these interesting and enlightened comments and expressing your heartfelt frustrations about all of the corrupt and illegal actions of our gov.s and especially the banking and and financial departments of our gov. Many people over the last hundreds of years have warned us about the magnitude of tyranny possible and warned us of the consequences.
However I personally don’t think it’s intelligent to talk of world war III or the nude world order , or lets be as mean as they are , or something based on just our feelings that actually only shows that we are so lacking for solutions that we are ready to play their stupid little game , give them the power of decision, and just sit in the corner and complain. NO is the word. It’s really simple. WE should definitely call their bluff this time. So I propose 1 Prove to the people of the world , by offering 5 alternative solutions , some debate, and an intelligent choice based on the expert analysis of renowned economists gathered together by the US Gov for the purpose of finding solutions other than this UP YOUR WAREHOUSE solution, that this UP YOUR WEARHOUSE solution is in the best interest of the working middle class, and we will accept it. Don’t follow step 1, and we will bring this entire country to a grinding halt with a general strike, until
you do. You’re bluffing. and we the people are calling it. The power is still in the hands of the people! Let’s use it. We can’t sit this one out. Com’on this a the chance we’ve been waiting for . Their bluffing just like they have many times before. To react is to change. Just talking and discussing won’t do it this time!
Sep 20th, 2008
johnmorton
David et al
There is absolutely no question at all that this economic collapse is a random event.
The overall agenda is to collapse the United States’ economy (which has been ongoing for decades now through Wall St led outsourcing and globalization), and at the last minute, transfer all the accumulated losses of the international financial system onto the US taxpayer, leaving the British Empire to control the world.
That Empire, albiet largely invisible to the naked eye, controls vast tracts of raw materials, food and mining cartels around the world, so in the post collapse stage, when the dark age comes upon mankind, the controllers of that Empire will return to rule the world as they once did unchallenged by that pesky “Republic” across the pond.
There have been literally thousands of books written on this subject so I am not going to waste any further time trying to prove this point, I just hope that you accept what I am saying and move forward with us from here.
For further evidence, see page 11 of the May edition of the column that talks about the planned and orchestrated phases of the controlled disintegration of society, in this case modelled on the Fabian playbook.
We keep talking on this site about “knowing our enemy” in order to fight, and while I absolutely 100% agree with you that Common Purpose is a very significant, and easy target in that fight.
BUT, WHAT IS CONTROLLING COMMON PURPOSE?
Final point: If we do not understand the nature and the cause of the fight we are in, we are going to lose. The loss of the “Great Republic”, as Churchill called it, means the loss of everything for us all, and the sooner people understand this, the sooner we can get on the same page and fight the same war. It is imperative that people see the global strategic picture here, as this fight is being waged in all nations simultaneously, but by far and away the hardest and most important target of this international FASCIST conspiracy, is the United States, closely followed by Britian.
Sep 20th, 2008
streetfigther
All well and good, David et al, we understand the target but we are powerless to do a thing about it due to media on the wrong side and lack of public understanding. We now have government against the people, when those accountable are able to keep their positions and enrichments. As I said before another step toward one world government, economies etc……..
Sep 20th, 2008
atrayou
As pointed out here the average Joe really doesn’t understand the problem or the proposed solution. Many people just have faith that somehow it will all work out. It really is simple and needs to be made simple. Common purpose should and must be a part of the discussion as for instance , sharing , using currency without interest, or any number of interesting and intelligent solutions. But lets not put the cart first. If someone tells you lies , that cause untold suffering to innocent people , lies over and over about many things, tortures innocent people without trial or even charges, and bends every situation to their personal advantage regardless of the consequences, do you ask that person to solve a major financial problem? What do you expect but more lying and cheating until either the planned goals are achieved , or perhaps the unplanned consequences destroy our hope of an intelligent solution to these and many other problems. Stupid greedy people are sick and dangerous to the common good , and should rightly be treated much as we treat other sick and dangerous people. Asking them what we should do, actually proves that we are even dumber than they are. Why are we giving them the power of decision?
Or not.
What could be behind this insane, hysterical reaction?
One reason is that late yesterday, the FSA called a halt to short selling of financial stocks in the UK. As a result, many (t)raders have had to get themselves out of short positions. That musta hurt!
The second, much bigger, reason is that the US Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, in collusion with the US Congress, is about to commit an act of blatant treason.
Instead of doing the right thing, which would have been to place the system in administratrion (bankruptcy reorganisation), he has decided to make the United States itself bankrupt.
The bankers are laughing up their sleeves.
What Paulson has announced is this: he will establish a Federal agency to buy up what will amount to trillions of dollars of bad debt. The debt will become the liability of the US taxpayer. The bankers will get off scot free. The US will also insure investors in US money-market funds, which have seen significant withdrawals in recent days.
The idea is that, in a reflection of the Resolution Trust Corporation, the debt will be warehoused so that it can get the chance “for much of it to recover a portion of its value.”
But make no mistake, as far as the financial system is concerned, this will achieve nothing, other than delay the inevitable once again.
The real benefit for Paulson’s controllers, is that long held goal of the financial elites - the end of the United States, and that pesky Constitution.
What about us, here in the UK? For us, there’s the small matter of the spectre of hyperinflation which will make Weimar Germany pale into insignificance.
Sep 19th, 2008
Biloxi
September 18, 2008 http://www.
WTP Brings Federal Lawsuit to Stop AIG Bailout
U.S. Lacks Constitutional Authority for Loan
On the day following the 221st anniversary of the signing of the U.S. Constitution, WTP Chairman and constitutional activist Robert Schulz today filed a federal
lawsuit in United States District Court in Albany seeking to halt the execution
of the emergency bailout of American International Group, Inc. (AIG) by the
United States Government and the Federal Reserve.
The lawsuit asserts that the commitment of public funds and credit for the direct benefit of privately owned AIG is an ultra vires action by the United States Government and Federal Reserve, i.e., beyond the limited legal authority granted
by the Constitution. The lawsuit asks for a “show cause” hearing demanding that
the Government produce evidence of its legal authority to commit public funds for such a purpose, as well as emergency and permanent injunctions halting the
bailout transaction. (continued…)
Click Here To Access the Update
Sep 19th, 2008
johnmorton
Let us be clear here: this is a declaration of war against the United States of America by the international fascist banking cartel.
If this is not resolved politically in the immediate future, this is going all the way into civil war.
We must all pray for the American people that the US Congress acts to reassert sovereignty, or things are going to get very nasty very quickly.
Sep 19th, 2008
david_grothier
sure its an ultra vires action, but the lawsuit will never get off the ground as all with sense recognise the implications of no bail out.
Sep 19th, 2008
Alpha Uniform
“The idea is that, in a reflection of the Resolution Trust Corporation, the debt will be warehoused so that it can get the chance “for much of it to recover a portion of its value.”
Hmmmm…..no different to what ENRON did, and a host of companies are doing. Laying off the losses into a holding company so that losses don’t appear on the books!
Crininal fraud has been legalised????
Sep 19th, 2008
420
9/19/09 (Reuters) The federal government is now bailing out compulsive gamblers in Las Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City, and elsewhere. Anyone who has lost $1000 or more gambling in U.S. casinos may apply for a full refund at taxpayer expense, by writing to:
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson
Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220
Include a copy of your income tax returns as proof of your gambling losses, and the treasury will issue you equal compensation withing 6-8 weeks. The refund program does not apply to offshore gambling, Internet gambling, and losses at casinos run on Native American reservations. Details are available at the U.S. Treasury web site at
http://www.ustreas.gov/.
Sep 19th, 2008
Richard H. Clark
johnmorton - Sorry. Too late. We’ve entered the debt-death spiral. There is no possible way out at the moment. We can’t cut deficit spending without killing the economy. We’ve lived on debt for so long that it is now systemic in the system. If has to collapse to correct itself. We’re toast. The US will have a severe depression shortly. I do apologize for our greedly little megalomanical leaders here and the effects they are having around the world… sorry.
Sep 19th, 2008
General Grant
revolution is the only solution.
Sep 19th, 2008
James
the reason the NWO/Illuminati even exists is that the majority of citizens are themselves treasonous. Its the natural rash that comes out when the average man does not give a damn about truth or justice. Just so long as he is comfortable. We tried to warn them about 911, about the NWO, etc etc. Big smirking assholes mock and deny and go back to their football or whatever. . So let them cheer on McCain and Obama. Let the nation and the world fall to hell. its totally deserved.
Sep 19th, 2008
Skully
Well Gent-lmen
The game has been over since the Jesuits sunk the Titanic.
There is nothing left really except to turn to the kind of ruthlessness
they were actually born and bred with…Funny thing is that they can not re-start time and so they are screwed
Cheers
Skully
Sep 19th, 2008
Cailean
Everyone is going on about the system collapsing, but there is human agency here. This is a kind of coup, a financial 9/11 which will allow a particular faction to monopolise all wealth and power. The same, transatlantic crowd, no doubt, who thought up the Georgia provocation i.e. Cheney and co.. They’re managing to present this as an act of salvation for the “economy’ and as with Georgia use it to help win the election.No way will they allow the Democrats to win. They are playing all their cards now and in the short term may well succeed. Longer term there isn’t much hope for this return to the dark age. It won’t pull the rest of the world down and international isolation and hopefully domestic opposition will do for the regime.
Sep 19th, 2008
Mexican
American Fobaproa!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Good way to go guys, further generations should pay.
Sep 19th, 2008
Kim
There is NOTHING in the Constitution (in its spirit or in writing) which allows for this perfidy. We are being systematically taken down in every way by the world bankers, assisted by our own ignorant , self-aggrandizing, so-called “representatives.”. The elite cannot and will not tolerate a truly free republic consisting of armed, well informed and intelligent citizens.
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
The “insurgent,” Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802) 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
http://etext.virginia.edu/
Lamp posts and rope are looking pretty good right now.
Sep 19th, 2008
david_grothier
I have been a strong opponent of irresponsible banking since they foreclosed on the Creamery in St Clairs West Wales.
I did my bit in taking a few to the little boys cleaners and not paying on loans—donating the proceeds to Save the Children and a few other charities.
Problem is I have seem SO MANY SIMPLY TALK ABOUT DOING THE SAME—-AND TALK IS NOT LIKE MONEY—ITS CHEAP
I BET KIM WOULD BE THE FIRST TO RUN A MILE AT THE SIGHT OF A LAMP POST AND A ROPE WITH A GREEDY IRRESPONSIBLE BANKER ON THE OTHER END.
Sep 19th, 2008
Mr. Davis
Next week will be the unwinding of the Hedge funds (think of how much stock they will dump on the market when the short selling rules expire in 9-trading days). Beyond “genius” politicians to solve.
Sep 20th, 2008
Anthony Clifton
When did lying murderers acquire “authority”? Printed currency is not money. It is deemed “legal tender”. See Merrill Jenkins : Money - The Greatest Hoax in the world. See Willie Martin Files Outline. See Eustace Mullins - Secrets of the federal reserve, and the Curse of Canaan. See Obadiah, and Matthew 13. Israel is not “jewish” and “jews are not Israel. “Reject truth…place yourself in judgement..” -Wayne Martin. Waco 9/11 tapes. Zakheim should at least be arrested with Silverstein, and Zellikow.
Sep 20th, 2008
Bill Wanke
Drive the Money Changers from the Temple!!!!!!
Sep 20th, 2008
Grant
I am from the UK, but I hope the people of America realise that this economic crisis is infact a coup. This is an invasion of the United States by financial rather than military means. Put it this way just suppose the FED loans the US GOV Billions of $`s so the US GOV can buy all these bad asset bonds (debts) off the banks. What then if the US GOV can no longer pay its debts. Would the FED then OWN the US GOV. Question is,who owns the FED? If you can answer this question then you will know who will OWN the United States once this coup is complete. These people wont stop there they want the whole world. But do you know the story about DAVID and GOLIATH !
Sep 20th, 2008
Vee
Maybe what is most appalling is that the regular Joe doesn’t have a clue as to what is about to transpire over the next year or two because it ain’t over yet and they aren’t ready for it. Scary times in which we live. I hope that some of the greedy fall with a larger thump than the poor or middle class. It’s about time that “I feel your pain” from those that don’t really, means something. What a corrupt and sad world we live in. Maybe tar and feathering will come back in vogue again when the regular guys and gals figure out what they have done to us. I can dream can’t I? General Grant above knows the solution. Viva the solution.
Sep 20th, 2008
Jack the Whipper
American banks made most of those bad loans under intense pressure from the Government in the first place, so don’t just blame the banks. There are unseen hands behind this mess, as the above writers have discerned, and surely the intent is the coup d’ etat more commonly known as another step forward towards the New World Order. They know that the common man is not well-versed in exotic financial scams.
Sep 20th, 2008
Apostle
My guns and ammo are paid for
Sep 20th, 2008
roshea
Over there Over here
Over there Over here
Everywhere
Yes the Bailouts are comin
The Bailouts are comin
What’s happening over here?
Over there, over here
Send the word, send the word everywhere
That the Bailouts are coming,
The Bailouts are coming,
Billions and Trillions Ev’rywhere.
So prepare, say a pray’r,
Send the word, Taxpayers everywhere
Yes the Bailouts are comin
The Bailouts are comin
All taxpayers now be aware.
Over there.
Sep 20th, 2008
Tom Ness
I got a big laugh tonight from the mainstream media (which I monitor just to see what kind of propaganda the sheeple are being fed) as they sputtered how hugely surprised they all were about this week’s financial crash. Anybody who cruises through the blogosphere financial reporting regularly has known this was coming for years, with increasing accuracy about who, how and when. It makes it truly difficult to be in public these days knowing you are surrounded by sleepwalkers and zombies. It’s going to get ugly if they all wake up at once.
Sep 20th, 2008
Brutus Centinel
This is a foolish plan which is going to make a bad government created mess even worse.
The FDIC and SIPC already guarantee the deposits so we were already on the hook in case of abject failure. Now we are on the hook in case of pending failure.
Let the efficiencies of the market place punish the poor decision makers. Accumulating all the bad debt into the hands of taxpayers is just wrong.
Sep 20th, 2008
S E AW
The American people are a basically trusting lot because of their Christian heritage. It is unfortunate that they have been betrayed by unscrupulous people and a compliant media. Many countries can see this but the American people themselves can’t seem to understand what is really happening around them, living as they are in the flickering twilight of the American dream and caught up in the hoopla of elections. It is all so sad and all who have their welfare at heart can only pray that God will be merciful..
Sep 20th, 2008
dogismyth
I dare say that I agree with you since all those around me think I am kaputz!
I would happily exchange my life to stop the corruptness and the planned takeover of U.S. assets. Many people will suffer…some terribly. Many will be moved to exact vengeance in an expedient fashion. It is one of the basic instinct of man.
Good luck. Hope to see you all at the fight.
Sep 20th, 2008
Teancum
I’ve always suspected that among my brothers and sisters in England there are those who are truly enlightened and know the truth of the evil persons who have taken over the once great United States of America. I am so pleased to read the comments on this page and honor those of you who have made them.
As you probably know, it was the House of Rothschild and their agents in the U.S. (Schiff, Warburg, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc.) that hoisted their nefarious “Federal” Reserve Bank on the ingnorant and deceived American sheeple and have been fleecing us ever since.
You are all right…this is the end of the American economy, and America itself will soon be overthrown…but there are many here who are truly enlightened, as yourselves, and we will not be overthrown completely.
There is a remanant of good, solid, Christian patriots, who are armed with the righteousness of God (and armed with plenty of brass and lead) that will emerge triumphant over the evil Illuminati.
The coming U.S. economic collapse will trickle throughout the entire world and take down many nations in the process.
I also believe the evil President of the U.S. is planning a pre-emtive attack on Iran that will eventuate in World War III and involve Russia and China - and will involve nuclear weapons.
Thank you for your goodness and your intelligence and your prayers in our behalf…
We are all going to need each other in the trying days ahead.
Good night from America,
Teancum
Sep 20th, 2008
Bobby
So in essence what this catastrophe and its solution entails is this–Americans get to pay to make sure their own money in the bank is safe. This solution of course, was proposed by the same Wall Street Criminals that brought us the catastrophe in the first place. Also, as one poster pointed out, the government itself under Clinton and then continued by Bush pressured banks to make unsafe loans to people they damn well knew could never pay back those loans, all in the name of diversity. If we truly had an honest government, hundreds of our leaders would be locked up for life, for what they have done to the U.S. citizenry.
Sep 20th, 2008
Vox Veritatis
I say we track down every crooked international banker, conniving politician who supports corporate welfare, and member of the Fed and give them a serious ass-kicking and horse-whip them down Wall Street before tying them to planks and tossing them in the Hudson River. Bailouts for these corporations is intolerable and every American taxpayer should answer with torches, pitchforks, and maybe even muskets if necessary, for as a previous poster pointed out, this would certainly be an act of war declared against honest, hard-working Americans who actually have to pay the consequences for their actions. These shameless criminal degenerates have looted the treasury and completely perverted the law. It’s time to take a stand.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Track down international bankers–you must be joking we wont even get the irresponsible bankers here in the UK.!
UK BANKS HAVE HAD A RAPACIOUS APPROACH TO COMMUNITY LIFE IN THE UK FOR GENERATIONS.
WHEN THEY STARTED IMPERSONAL BANKING AND DID AWAY WITH HIGH STREET BANK MANGERS THE ROT REALLY SET IN.
THEN IN FAVOUR OF THE FOLLY IF INTERNET BANKING THEY CLOSED MANY A HIGH STREET BRANCHES CAUSING GREAT INCONVENIENCE TO MANY…BUT DID THEY CARE–DID THEY HELL
BANKS ARE PRIVILEGED PRIVATE COMPANIES, WHICH THE PUBLIC ARE FORCED TO USE AND THEREFORE THEIR PROFITS ARE ALMOST GUARANTEED.
HOWEVER BANKS IN THE UK DURING THE NEGATIVE EQUITY SCANDAL (1980/90s) FORECLOSED ON MANY FAMILIES ONLY TO MOVE TO SELL THEIR HOUSES FOR MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WAS OWED ON THEM( AND THEY WERE WORTH AT AUCTION).
STATISTICS LATER DEMONSTRATED THAT BOTH BANKS, AND THE FAMILIES CONCERNED WOULD HAVE ALL BENEFITS FROM AN ETHICAL APPROACH AND MORTGAGE RESTRUCTURING.
A number of people I knew committed suicide when they realised they were going to lose their homes solely due to the economic situation of the late 80s and 1990s, which of course was out of their control and based upon Friedman´s influence over Thatcher.
There was anger–––-and because of the whole crazy situation I advocated action against the banks–––-what happened from the sheeeple, well the same that will happen now for all the big talk here––-nothing.
I know what I am about to state will be to many, but I feel it needs to be said as we all need a wake up call–-at least while we are able to wake up. (in fact it horrifies me each time I watch the old documentaries).
I am still a student of 20C warfare and I could never understand how so many Jewish families just calmly walked to the deaths in the camps without a fight, yes there were pockets of resistance but not that many. There is one scene of the victims getting off the train at Auswich.
Here they are separated into groups, those to work, those to die, women here, men there and children over there. God almighty this still reduces me to tears just writing about it.
One child is separated from his mother, and runs back to her, an SS guard pulls the child away but he runs back to his mother only to be separated again, both mother and child are now hysterical–-but the killing goes on, and no one does a thing, people just stand and watch as both separate lines of woman and children are lead into buildings of death.
We have two issues here, that fact that the people were lead like sheep to their deaths with little or no resistance, and the fact that there was a man, loads of them, SS Guards, who could do things to a child that would, and is still breaking my heart to watch…..to think I am part of what we call the human race make me increasing want to puke.
This time people we simply must not be complacent. There are now 6.721 billion people living on this planet 50% of which are living in totally undignified conditions due to the polices of greedy capitalist bankers through their polices of globalisation, and conditions are getting worse. Remember people that he poorest country in the world Haiti despite (or because of) France and the United States repeatedly intervened in Haitian politics since the country’s founding. But whatever both these major international players still look on as people die in abject poverty.
This is coming to us all if we don’t wake up and act-
Sep 20th, 2008
John Morton
To all Americans reading this:
Know that there are those in England, most especially us at the UK Column who stand with you in solidarity against this evil, fascist plot against your country.
We do everything we can to expose this from our side, and stand ready to work with you on a new economy, under sovereign government control once again, taking the power away from these private banking scum once and for all.
The power rests in YOUR hands. Get armed, get angry and get ready. Call your Congress people and DEMAND that they block this bailout plan. Get organized and prepare to resist, because we in England have no means of defence and we are relying on you to save representative government for us all, everywhere.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Wow wow wow John–YOU GO TO FAR!
I AM NOT THAT SURE THERE S A FASCIST PLOT AS YOU SAY.
I am not convinced of this conspiracy theory plot.
I have been in the market for many years and I am putting this down to the stupidity of greedy unregulated banking practices while conducting my own further investigations.
For the longer term interests of world stability and the 10000000s of poor already affected and for whom things could get a whole lot worse without this bail out, I am all for it as being the most sensible option.
Besides I think you are now going over board on this US thing, we have to start putting our house, Britain, in order before meddling elsewhere.
I would leave that to the CIA if I were you as they are expert at such things..
Sep 20th, 2008
Mohammed Abdullah
This is the time we have been waiting. Down come the wrath of the lord. Though the american public is innocent they were not doing anyting to stop their nation from killing innocent iraqies, afganis etc., Do you understand now that “Divide and rule” does not always work buddy. Ha Ha. The Great nation’s so called “Foreign Policy” is good for idiots. Arragance is the reason for all of these. Now who cares for america. I wrote this just to show how delighted I am to see, people loosing their money, people starving to death including innocent children and women etc., Just the same picture like in Iraq and Afghan. It would be ideal if a earthqueak or a Tsunami hits America , Ameen.
Sep 20th, 2008
Enufs Enuf
David Grothier - you are STILL not convinced that this is a ‘fascist plot/conspiracy theory’????
Be assured there most definately is an agenda and you are watching it unfold live, 24/7 the world over…….
Some of us have spent years investigating all aspects of it.
It is my belief that the ongoing financial coup is the final part of this global agenda for a one world government or ‘new world order’ as gordon brown so lovingly announces every five minutes.
It is also my belief that very soon, an excuse for martial law will be created and for which we should all be prepared.
One more time: Gordon Brown proving to you just where this financial catastrophe came from and to what end:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=
May God Almighty have mercy on us all - and to those throughout history and to those still following the same agenda - it’s not too late to repent…….
Sep 20th, 2008
Peter1945
David,
I am not conviced that John is GOING TO FAR. I for one believe these (finacial) events are happening by design and not by accident or gross in competence. I kNOW there is a lot of “Conspiracy Theory’s” about, but don’t assume they are all bunk. I would not suggest that this applies to you but, sticking ones head in the sand and thinking they are all untrue is naive in the extreme.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Assalamu alaykum
In relation to Iraq I fully agree with what you are stating. The suffering we in the West caused this nation through the folly of Bush and Blair will be a cancer on our livers for many future generations,
This is without forgetting the ten years of illegal sanctions that caused many innocent women and their children to die through the holding back of essential medical supplies.
May GOD and ALLAH have mercy on us all.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
Enufs Enuf after years of researching you should have no problem proving you comments–I invite you to do so.
Peter1945 Please be assured my head is far from in the sand.
You say and I quote
I for one believe these (finacial) events are happening by design and not by accident or gross in competence.
Please support your statement with facts.
LOOK PEOPLE THESE ARE THINGS WHETHER TRUE OF NOT, YOU CANT DO A DARN THING ABOUT—WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TO START AT HOME AND SAVE THE UK FROM COMMON PURPOSE—THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
Sep 20th, 2008
Peter1945
David,
First of all, I said I did NOT think YOUR head was in the sand….so PLEASE read what I said. I was not attacking YOU, just putting over my views and feelings…nothing wrong with that!
“Please support your statement with facts” No I cannot lay down in black and white for you anything like that, because it is like trying to prove a negative, but I can’t help But trust my gut feelings. It is a belief not a statement of fact.
I would say however, that events of this nature are outlined in the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”…ok it may be a suspect document..but why are its contents coming true.
I don’t think anyone will disagree with you over Common Purpose, and I have been trying to do my small bit by telling my friends and others about them.
But most people are only giving there comments and replys to the Main Items that have been posted by The Editorial Managerment……and they are not ALL about Common Purpose.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
No offence taken Peter I am quite impervious to that.
Deal with what you can feel and touch and do something about—the rest. if it exists, can be taken on board later and from a much stronger position,
Sep 20th, 2008
The Editor
David,
Common Purpose is a fairly significant part if the puzzle, but its only a part. Limiting the debate to Common Purpose, and so limiting the activism to Common Purpose, limits our effectiveness.
At the moment, John and I are the only two writers for the site, as others work on the newspaper. We don’t want to duplicate the content. Anyone wanting to help, should contact me by email.
So far, by the way, we have had 14,000 or so individual IP addresses look at this article.
As far as our broader plans go, there’s quite a bit of exciting stuff coming, which will give people the chance to get much more involved. Keep watching.
Mike.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
ED, I am a practical person. I limited my attention to what I can see and touch and know what is there and that I feel I can do something about.
And Common Purpose I can and I am in my own way.
I cant do a dam thing about the fact the the US 6th Fleet was out a sea on Dec7 1941 nor can I ascertain that The Protocols of Zion are authentic or a good Russian joke so I don’t even consider then worthy of debate when there are more urgent and pressing issues at stake.
We all have our fantasises and as Peter1945 states its just his gut feeling, well that’s understandable as I have had one of those for years over the Euro Millions lotto—-saying that there is a draw tonight—now here did I put my ticket?
ED stripping common purpose out of the equation, do you serious think that you and John are having any real impacting effect upon the other topics here?
More like added shades of dark to the mysteries would not agree!
There are those still theorising if KING TUT was killed or died naturally—these things tend to go on forever.
Sep 20th, 2008
The Editor
Sorry, David, but where did you read that I was stripping Common Purpose out of the equation?
We are not limiting the scope of this site to Common Purpose. A somewhat different thing. If you want to contribute to the site with articles about Common Purpose specifically, then please do so.
In case you are unaware, we also run a site dedicated to Common Purpose, Common Purpose Exposed.
Mike.
Sep 20th, 2008
Enufs Enuf
David:
Common Purpose is a massive part of this ‘conspiracy’.
The ‘national curriculum’ is also a massive part of same conspiracy - as a parent I am in constant conflict with the ‘liberalisers’ at school who will not vere from their beloved ‘curriculum’ which is, in reality - believe it or not - satanic and which is currently working perfectly to create a nation of dumbed down sheople who never question anything and who are too scared by constant propaganda that everything is ‘out to get them’ and hence, behave like rabbits in the headlights - ie DO NOTHING!!!
Watch this from Charlotte Iserbyt: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=
Agenda 21 - a major part of both of the above…..and Local Agenda 21 - the local version of the UN global ‘Agenda 21′…….links in to the ‘global warming’ scam yes ‘ SCAM which merely provides more control and more £££££$$$$$ for the criminals who act as our saviours but in reality are wolves in sheeps clothing….
Ongoing financial global coup = rothschild =bank of England owners/controllers and also owner/controllers of the Fed Res…..1913 - The Creature from Jekyll Island…..Money Masters….Secrets of the Federal Reserve…..just scroogle….
911…..Afghanistan, Iraq,,,soon to be Iran = see above…..
Eu - see above.
Veolia - waste disposal, wheely bins etc = see above…..
Seatbelts, bin offences, dangerous dogs, speed cameras - see above….
NEXT!?
Conference?? - or at least a meeting??
This thing is GLOBAL. I can tell you who the ‘enemy’ is and who the ‘good guys’ are - to a point - because as we’re told in the Bible about the synagogue of satan:
“those who say they are jews and are not but are of the synagogue of satan”….
These ‘people’/entities have morphed and continue to do so, into anything that will gain them control of local, national, international and now, the final act - the global takeover of the entire world for their lord and master……???????
Please just ask if I can point you in any direction you want to PROVE that this global coup against humanity is sadly, VERY REAL.
Sep 20th, 2008
Life
Hi All.
The US Congress are terrified of the consequences should they speak or act out of line.
They have seen with JFK and many others what can happen if they do. It would take the whole of Congress to unanimously and as one, move against the elite. They would have the whole nation behind them, save for the few who attend the conventions…
Here in Blighty we need to take the Magna Carta, remove from it that which serves Rome, take Common Law and again remove that which serves the elite and keep only that which supports the new Magna Carta. We then present this new constitution to the people as our backdrop to curtail the power of the government, as the American Constitution was written to accomplish. There is no reason why we cannot expand the Magna Carta, which must include the proviso no government can borrow at interest monies from a private bank..
We are still going round in circles if we do not base the move against that which is destroying our nation, with a solid and understandable constitution…
Sep 20th, 2008
Life
Hi All.
Common Purpose is a massive part of the conspiracy, but one has also to include the organisation that is religion, secret societies such as the freemasons, the Jesuits, even the Knights of St John are controlled or rather confounded by the Order of the Garter.
There are the satanic networks such as the Golden Dawn, a massive organisation in this country which sets about ensuring the correct crime wave is on relative to what the elite wish to legislate against or to raise more revenue (insurance). I have first hand experience of this network, this network is what I first began to expose six years ago.
The system of the elite is massive; it has had 7000 years in which to install it. What we need is for man to remember he is man, and remove himself and his wealth from the organisations who thus use all you have to serve this evil agenda. We are in this together whatever ones religion or society, yet we have to see these organisations at elite level…all of them, as networks ultimately serving the Inner City banking Cartel, which is the chief executive office of the Imperial bloodlines Roman empire, itself only a new skin of the serpent that was and is Babylon….
Click this for a brief study of the empire from the point of Rome :
http://lifeinthemix.co.uk/new_
Sep 20th, 2008
Frances
When I began warning people about this corrupt financial system many years ago, I was told I was a pessimist. When I began advising friends, family, and strangers that the banking practices over the past 13 years were going to lead disaster, I was scoffed at. When I advised people to have about a 30 day cash supply on hand, I received blank stares. Now, I must apologize to the rest of the world for not being able to awaken my fellow Americans to stand up to the treason that has been purpetrated upon us for a very long time, by a long string of greedy traitors, thus resulting in complete bankruptcy. I say this because I am debating whether I will ever pay taxes again, whether I will ever use a bank again, and certainly, I will never rely on the market for my retirement. Real change isn’t going to come by electing anyone. It will only come when we stand up together, as one, around the world, and say enough. We have so much power that we haven’t used
for a long time. Let all workers of the world stop work for half a day, for starters. They do understand money as we can see by their ‘deer in the headlights’ look this past week.
Sep 20th, 2008
david_grothier
The Editor
David,
Common Purpose is a fairly significant part if the puzzle, but its only a part. Limiting the debate to Common Purpose, and so limiting the activism to Common Purpose, limits our effectiveness.
hi Ed perhaps I took the above wrongly. However for me I will stick to Common Purpose. Its such a subtle little devil. I was actually involved once with Agenda 21, back in the days when I was brainwashable.
I give daily thanks to Brian Garrish for my awakening.
These things I can see touch and feel, and know the evil influence thereof, and consequently the dangers.
However the fight is more difficult than perhaps you think as we already have the first generation of university students and graduates who have been brought up on this stuff.
The battle field is at home and real, the world out there is fully of so many conspiracy theories that will send you head spinning for a year of so if you dwell on them.
As a military minded person–in situations when your troop numbers are low and the enemy is far superior —-its always been a productive policy to use what you have to the effective advantage and fight that was that you know you can win and fight it from a strong home base.
Right now we Brits don’t have a strong home base, therefore we need to secure our country before fighting the world’s ills.
With a strong secure Britain the world is ours for the taking,
Of course I will gladly concede to those who know better, and I am fully aware of the many hidden agendas that run along side the many conspiracy theories which could be nothing or those dived and conquer merchants our and about again.
So for me if you don’t object, I will respectfully retreat, dignity in hand and concentrate on the fight against Common Purpose and eradicating its scourge from within the UK.
Life you are quite right and there are not many here that understand the might of the British monarchy. The one thing that always troubled me deep is why a great charismatic person like Ronald Reagan, who had it all on leaving office, found it so important to be knighted by the queen—-I guess its all dawning upon me slowly but surely.
Its not only Common Purpose, but perhaps the root of all you concerns my be found around buck house and the square mile!
Sep 20th, 2008
Maggie
It’s time to start keeping all of our money. No taxes, no payments to FICA, no payments to Social Security. It’s not going to be there for us anyway. Time to depend on ourselves folks. Get cash based jobs or jobs with an employer that leaves your tax payments to you. Do not give another cent to our government until it realizes that we are not going to take this anymore.
Cash under the table jobs, jobs where you barter, jobs where you set your own time. Barter for your rent, barter for your food, and refuse to fill out the W4’s if you get a new job. No law requires you do so. You can tell your employer that you will handle your own 940 and 941 forms, then don’t pay one penny to the government until they listen. Pay your state taxes and support your state, but the government can take a hike.
Sep 20th, 2008
Tom Collins
If we are to face “organised” doom and gloom, then everyone should be made aware so that they can at least “try” to make some arrangements for their security.
If only the few see what is happening then they have a duty to expose EVERYTHING, and the names (and addresses) of the people, persons, individuals and organisations behind it..
WHEN will it happen ? HOW will it happen ? WHERE will it happen ? WHAT will be the next sign ?
So many questions — so few anwers.
Sep 20th, 2008
streetfigther
Another step toward one world government……….
Sep 20th, 2008
Re:Mohammed Abdullah
Hey Mohammed you arrogant pig, there are good people, Muslims, Christians and otherwise, who are going to be suffering in this country and you’re jacking off at the thought? What makes you better than the ones who caused this mess? What makes you think you’re SAFE?
Sep 20th, 2008
atrayou
Thanks, to all of you for making these interesting and enlightened comments and expressing your heartfelt frustrations about all of the corrupt and illegal actions of our gov.s and especially the banking and and financial departments of our gov. Many people over the last hundreds of years have warned us about the magnitude of tyranny possible and warned us of the consequences.
However I personally don’t think it’s intelligent to talk of world war III or the nude world order , or lets be as mean as they are , or something based on just our feelings that actually only shows that we are so lacking for solutions that we are ready to play their stupid little game , give them the power of decision, and just sit in the corner and complain. NO is the word. It’s really simple. WE should definitely call their bluff this time. So I propose 1 Prove to the people of the world , by offering 5 alternative solutions , some debate, and an intelligent choice based on the expert analysis of renowned economists gathered together by the US Gov for the purpose of finding solutions other than this UP YOUR WAREHOUSE solution, that this UP YOUR WEARHOUSE solution is in the best interest of the working middle class, and we will accept it. Don’t follow step 1, and we will bring this entire country to a grinding halt with a general strike, until
you do. You’re bluffing. and we the people are calling it. The power is still in the hands of the people! Let’s use it. We can’t sit this one out. Com’on this a the chance we’ve been waiting for . Their bluffing just like they have many times before. To react is to change. Just talking and discussing won’t do it this time!
Sep 20th, 2008
johnmorton
David et al
There is absolutely no question at all that this economic collapse is a random event.
The overall agenda is to collapse the United States’ economy (which has been ongoing for decades now through Wall St led outsourcing and globalization), and at the last minute, transfer all the accumulated losses of the international financial system onto the US taxpayer, leaving the British Empire to control the world.
That Empire, albiet largely invisible to the naked eye, controls vast tracts of raw materials, food and mining cartels around the world, so in the post collapse stage, when the dark age comes upon mankind, the controllers of that Empire will return to rule the world as they once did unchallenged by that pesky “Republic” across the pond.
There have been literally thousands of books written on this subject so I am not going to waste any further time trying to prove this point, I just hope that you accept what I am saying and move forward with us from here.
For further evidence, see page 11 of the May edition of the column that talks about the planned and orchestrated phases of the controlled disintegration of society, in this case modelled on the Fabian playbook.
We keep talking on this site about “knowing our enemy” in order to fight, and while I absolutely 100% agree with you that Common Purpose is a very significant, and easy target in that fight.
BUT, WHAT IS CONTROLLING COMMON PURPOSE?
Final point: If we do not understand the nature and the cause of the fight we are in, we are going to lose. The loss of the “Great Republic”, as Churchill called it, means the loss of everything for us all, and the sooner people understand this, the sooner we can get on the same page and fight the same war. It is imperative that people see the global strategic picture here, as this fight is being waged in all nations simultaneously, but by far and away the hardest and most important target of this international FASCIST conspiracy, is the United States, closely followed by Britian.
Sep 20th, 2008
streetfigther
All well and good, David et al, we understand the target but we are powerless to do a thing about it due to media on the wrong side and lack of public understanding. We now have government against the people, when those accountable are able to keep their positions and enrichments. As I said before another step toward one world government, economies etc……..
Sep 20th, 2008
atrayou
As pointed out here the average Joe really doesn’t understand the problem or the proposed solution. Many people just have faith that somehow it will all work out. It really is simple and needs to be made simple. Common purpose should and must be a part of the discussion as for instance , sharing , using currency without interest, or any number of interesting and intelligent solutions. But lets not put the cart first. If someone tells you lies , that cause untold suffering to innocent people , lies over and over about many things, tortures innocent people without trial or even charges, and bends every situation to their personal advantage regardless of the consequences, do you ask that person to solve a major financial problem? What do you expect but more lying and cheating until either the planned goals are achieved , or perhaps the unplanned consequences destroy our hope of an intelligent solution to these and many other problems. Stupid greedy people are sick and dangerous to the common good , and should rightly be treated much as we treat other sick and dangerous people. Asking them what we should do, actually proves that we are even dumber than they are. Why are we giving them the power of decision?
Note* Before voting to put Christians, Muslims or Jews, find out what their views on Israel/Palestine are.